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May 24, 2021

In this episode, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with David Ortinau. David is a Principal Program Manager for the .NET Client Apps team at Microsoft, whose team’s primary focus is on Xamarin forms and .NET MAUI. 


David has been a .NET developer since 2002 and is versed in a range of programming languages. After several successes with tech startups and running his own software company, he joined Microsoft to follow his passion for crafting tools that help developers create better app experiences. When he’s not at a computer or with his family, he’s running trails through the woods.


David takes listeners through the ins and outs of multi-platform app development using .NET MAUI in today’s episode. He shares what developers can look forward to come the November release and provides a full rundown of what it looks like to use .NET MAUI from wrapping the local environment and building to testing to packaging and deploying. Don’t miss out on learning about what makes .NET MAUI a powerful tool you should be on the lookout for!


Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:26] About today’s episode with David Ortinau.

[2:09] Jeffrey welcomes David to the podcast!

[2:39] David shares his career journey as a developer, leading up to Microsoft.

[14:34] David gives a rundown of what .NET MAUI is and what we can expect from this November release.

[18:58] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[19:30] For those who haven’t done any Xamarin forms at all, is the message with .NET MAUI that your C# code goes to Android, IoS, Mac, etc? Or is it more nuanced than that?

[21:10] If someone wanted to try out MAUI today, would David recommend that someone try out the preview today or wait for a future preview?

[24:12] David gives a full rundown of what the process looks like to use .NET MAUI. (how to wrap the local environment, build, test, deploy, etc.), starting off with what developers need to have locally on their computers to get started.

[30:00] David explains the full system testing story beyond unit testing and lower-level integration testing.

[32:40] David speaks about the .NET MAUI chain for packaging and deploying to devices and keeping track of builds that may be deployed.

[36:14] Jeffrey and David discuss telemetry and logging with .NET MAUI.

[38:07] Jeffrey thanks David Ortinau for joining the podcast and David shares some additional go-to resources to check out after listening to the podcast!


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