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Oct 28, 2019

Today’s guest on the podcast is Shayne Boyer, a Principal Cloud Advocate and .NET Lead at Microsoft! For the last 15 years, he has been developing Microsoft-based technology, mixing in a little Oracle and Android but truly, .NET is the world he lives in. He has started User Groups for Windows Phone, worked in Government Software, Public Records Systems, created major reservations systems for Cruise Companies, and has even worked for a mouse (AKA Walt Disney World) as a Senior Solutions Architect.


In today’s episode, Shayne and Jeffrey are discussing the landscape of Containers and Cloud-Native. Shayne highlights some of the new Windows Containers capabilities, gives his opinion on what he thinks should be the current file format or release candidate, explains what Cloud-Native means (and what is considered Cloud-Native), and speaks about which elements of .NET Core are interesting to him right now.


Topics of Discussion:

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[:49] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements.

[1:12] About today’s guest, Shayne Boyer!

[1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Shayne to the show!

[1:42] Shayne speaks about his career journey and how he ended up at Microsoft.

[2:56] Shayne shares what he’s been working on these days.

[4:33] There’s a lot of talk about building a new application targeting Azure and running it in Containers. But what are the options for getting those out of the data centers?

[6:30] Shayne speaks about some of the new Windows Containers capabilities.

[9:28] Is every single Windows Containers 2GB now? Or if you do a derived container with just a couple of tweaks, is that another 2GB?

[10:51] Some people have been talking about the Container as the new release candidate package format rather than bundling up your application as a NuGet package and putting it into Azure Artifacts. What’s Shayne’s opinion on what file format or release candidate should be now? And what does he think will be trending towards the future?

[14:04] What does Cloud-Native mean? And what is Shayne doing with it?

[19:45] When you’re developing, what can be considered Cloud-Native?

[21:21] Is it correct to say that Cloud-Native is getting away from having any operating system to manage that’s in the mix?

[22:58] A word from the Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[23:28] Jeffrey gives some more announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[26:22] Which elements of .NET Core are really interesting to Shayne? What is he working on around it?

[30:33] Does Shayne know what he’s going to show at Microsoft Ignite 2019?

[31:40] Shayne speaks about going Cloud-Native with remote workers.

[33:10] With being on the other side of the country, is Shayne in a VPN the whole day or is there is something that has surpassed VPN now?

[37:27] Jeffrey and Shayne speak about what the future of Cloud-Native could look like.

[39:18] Shayne gives some recommendations for listeners to follow-up on if they want to learn more about Containers or Cloud-Native.

[41:33] Jeffrey thanks Shayne for joining the show!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

Microsoft Ignite 2019

Party with Palermo - Microsoft Ignite Conference 2019 (Eventbrite)

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.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Jeffrey’s .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX)

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

Shayne Boyer’s LinkedIn

Shayne Boyer’s Twitter

Shayne Boyer’s Website

.Net Conf 2019

The Cloud Native Show on Channel 9
The Azure DevOps Podcast: “Glenn Condron on New Capabilities in .NET - Episode 58”

Windows Containers



Azure Artifacts


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