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Dec 30, 2019

Today’s episode marks the end of 2019 as well as over a year of Azure DevOps Podcasts!


In today’s final episode of 2019, Kathleen Dollard joins the podcast to discuss setting up your machine for .NET Core! Kathleen is a Principal Program Programmer at Microsoft, a long-time developer, and a national conference speaker. She’s been at Microsoft for a little over two years now and is an expert in C#, .NET and ASP.NET, SQL Server, and Visual Basic. She’s also the author of the book, Code Generation in Microsoft .NET (published in 2004), which put forth principles of metaprogramming that are still valid today!


Tune in to hear Kathleen as she highlights all the important, key pieces listeners should consider when diving into the world of .NET Core for the first time, a peak under the covers of what’s currently going on behind the scenes of .NET Core from Kathleen’s perspective, and how you can most effectively set up your machine for .NET Core today!


Topics of Discussion:

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[1:06] Jeffrey gives a quick announcement.

[1:18] About today’s episode!

[1:34] Jeffrey welcomes Kathleen to the show.

[2:43] Kathleen speaks about the journey of her career and how she’s come to work on the .NET Core team at Microsoft.

[5:05] Kathleen speaks about her experience as a language expert.

[6:54] From Kathleen’s perspective, does she .NET Core 3.1 as the new wave? I.e. if you’ve been waiting, now is the time to move to it? And how complete is it?

[10:34] Kathleen and Jeffrey talk about the migration of classic ASP applications.

[13:26] What do people need to start thinking about when setting up their machine for .NET Core? Kathleen also highlights a recent bug and how to get around it!

[25:00] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[25:28] Jeffrey highlights some exciting announcements!

[27:11] Why does Kathleen think that Visual Studio Code is more popular than Visual Studio 2019?

[28:52] Kathleen talks about some of their work behind-the-scenes.

[30:55] Kathleen shares some key information for those who distribute WinForms applications.

[32:05] Kathleen is open to hearing listeners’ ideas! Feel free to reach out to give her your feedback!

[32:45] Kathleen speaks about their uninstall tool in the works and where to get a hold of the beta.

[34:48] In Kathleen’s opinion, what would cause someone to choose a new WinForms app .NET Core versus a WPF Core app?

[38:53] Kathleen shares what the .NET Core team is up to right now.

[40:00] Kathleen highlights some additional resources and gives some advice for those planning on making the .NET Core plunge!

[43:43] Jeffrey thanks Kathleen for joining the podcast!


Mentioned in this Episode:

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Code Generation in Microsoft .NET, by Kathleen Dollard

.NET Core

Visual Basic (VB)





Visual Studio Code

Visual Studio 2019




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