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Nov 15, 2021

Today, James Shore joins The Azure DevOps Podcast! James teaches, writes, and consults on Agile software development. He is co-author of the classic Agile how-to guide, The Art of Agile Development, and is the co-creator of the Agile Fluency® Model; a highly-regarded guide for Agile adoption. He is also the recipient of the Agile Alliance’s Gordon Pask Award for Contributions to Agile Practice.


James’ book, The Art of Agile Development, first came out in late 2007. This year (late 2021), the second edition is coming out. A lot has changed with Agile development during this time and in this episode, James highlights what some of these key differences are and his advice to veteran, intermediate, and beginner programmers alike.


Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:11] About today’s episode with James Shore.

[1:39] Jeffrey welcomes James to the podcast.

[1:44] Jeffrey congratulates James on the second edition of his book, 

[2:01] James shares some of the highlights of his career and his journey as a programmer.

[7:57] James discusses the history of test-driven development.

[8:57] James highlights the mainstays from the first edition to the second edition of his book, The Art of Agile Development.

[12:17] Why and how programming should stay fun.

[13:50] James shares his perspective around what an Agile team looks like, structurally.

[17:23] James elaborates on the fluidity of Agile and why it is a philosophy; not a method.

[19:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[19:57] What needs to be in place in order for Agile to succeed.

[23:13] How to answer the question of, “When is it going to be done?” with Agile.

[26:22] How to be more predictive in an Agile team.

[28:48] James speaks about engineering practices that are general rules of thumb for teams employing Agile.

[32:23] Where Kanban fits into the Agile picture and what James recommends for new teams.

[35:47] James gives advice to programmers and companies when it comes to working remotely.

[39:14] Where to find James, his work, and his book online.

[40:53] Jeffrey congratulates James once again on the 2nd edition of his book and thanks him for joining the podcast and sharing his insights!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

James Shore’s Website

James Shore’s Twitter @JamesShore

The Art of Agile Development, by James Shore and Shane Warden (2nd Edition, 2021)

Dreyfus Learning Model

Agile Fluency



Mythical Man-Month, The: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick Brooks Jr.


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