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Azure DevOps Podcast

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May 29, 2023

René is a Principal Cloud Solution Architect - Engineering (CSA-E) and technical lead for Azure DevOps and software development processes at Microsoft in Germany. In his role as CE, he helps customers adopt good development practices and processes as well as understanding the principles of DevOps. As an Azure DevOps expert, René trains customers in using the DevOps toolchain and shows ways to integrate Azure DevOps into existing heterogeneous environments.


Before his start at Microsoft in late 2008, René had been working as a developer of enterprise logistic systems for almost ten years.


Topics of Discussion:

[3:05] René’s start of his career and how he got into programming.

[5:20] How does René define the real difference between the 1990s waterfall mindset and the agile mindset, just from a process perspective?

[7:49] How DevOps is an evolution of Agile.

[9:13] What is DevOps all about?

[11:29] The three ways of DevOps as described in The Phoenix Project:

  1. Maximize flow or system thinking.

  2. Amplify feedback loops.

  3. The culture of continuous experimentation and learning.

[16:52] The importance of creating a natural cadence in your iteration.

[17:16] What’s the best way to standardize across different teams?

[21:13] Choosing the right tool at the right point in time.

[24:10] What type of test automation does René find himself recommending?

[27:50] To René, the most important thing is to get your code right. In addition, unit testing also has a very positive impact on your architecture and design because you're building a testable product.

[28:50] What is Rene’s view on open telemetry in a DevOps mindset?


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The Phoenix Project book: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford

Test-driven development: By Example, by Kent Beck

Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, by Kent Beck and Cynthia Andres

The Unicorn Project: A Novel about Developers, Digital Disruption, and Thriving in the Age of Data, by Gene Kim

The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick Brooks Jr.

The Art of Unit Testing: With examples in JavaScript, by Roy Osherove

Site Reliability Engineering: How Google Runs Production Systems, by Jennifer Petoff, Niall Murphy, Betsy Beyer, and Chris Jones


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