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Dec 13, 2021

This week, Jessica Engström joins the podcast to speak about user experience.


Jessica is an international speaker, teacher, podcaster, mentor, geek, and the CEO of her own company. One of her passions is the developer community where she organizes conferences, events, streams, and runs multiple user groups. She's also the co-host of the Coding After Work Podcast and Twitch channel! One thing that Jessica is absolutely sure of is that you can never learn enough! And this is why she is continuously learning new things, researching, and trains with some of the best people in the world.


In this episode, Jessica shares her insights on UX, her advice to developers looking to get into it, tips for making your UX more accessible, the greater problems she would like to see solved with better UX, and other key pieces of advice around UX standards and development.


Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:13] About today’s episode with Jessica Engström.

[2:01] Jeffrey welcomes Jessica Engström to the podcast!

[2:18] Jessica shares her background and what led her to doing what she does today.

[5:27] Jessica describes the multiple projects and roles she holds from hosting a podcast to being a mentor to being the CEO of her own company, and more.

[8:05] Jessica describes what user experience is to her, some of the current missing pieces, and what areas of it need to be more broadly educated about.

[11:51] Jessica’s UX methodology and her recommendations on how to get started with it.

[15:22] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:55] Jessica shares an important UX design tip.

[17:05] How Jessica recommends teaching new developers the UX rules of thumb.

[18:34] Jessica defines accessibility when it comes to UX.

[21:36] How to make UX more accessible and other options that Jessica thinks should be available on all websites/platforms.

[27:30] Jessica recommends resources to check out if you’re interested in learning more about UX.

[28:43] Are there embedded UX standards when you choose a CSS framework (such as Material UI or Bootstrap)? Would Jessica recommend them?

[30:00] The similarities and differences between HTML UIs and Windows Native or mobile.

[31:33] Jessica shares her thoughts on when to use vs. when not to use H1 on a web page.

[33:14] Where to find Jessica online.

[33:27] Jeffrey thanks Jessica Engström for joining the podcast.


Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jessica Engström’s Microsoft MVP Profile

Jessica Engström’s Twitter @EngstromJess

Medium | UX Collective

Instagram #UX

Material UI



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