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Dec 16, 2019

In today’s episode, Elton Stoneman is joining the podcast! Elton is an Architect at Docker and an Azure MVP. He’s currently in the process of writing his new book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, which already has 9 chapters up online! It’s a completely accessible, task-focused guide to Docker on Linux, Windows, or Mac Systems.


Elton started his career as a .NET Consultant and, as he says, ‘Spent the last 10 years building big, ugly monolithic apps which [he] now spends his time teaching people how to break apart!’ He soon became heavily interested in Docker and when the company had an opening for an Advocate, he reached out and joined their marketing team. After doing that for a couple of years, he became an Architect on their partnership team.


Docker has exploded in both popularity and usage. And since this is completely Elton’s world, Jeffrey picks his brain in this episode to learn more about the design philosophy around it and the strategy behind it all!


Topics of Discussion:

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[:48] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements!

[1:00] About today’s episode!

[1:38] Jeffrey welcomes Elton to the show!

[1:44] Elton speaks about his current progress on his upcoming book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches.

[2:20] Elton speaks about how he ended up in this space and what his journey has been thus far.

[5:04] Elton elaborates on the problems that Docker solves and explains some of the strategies behind it all.

[9:40] Elton speaks about the practical differences between the Linux ecosystem of containers and the Windows ecosystem of containers.

[12:56] Elton speaks about the new change of Windows supporting Kubernetes and what that means for Docker.

[14:25] Elton shares his stance on what file format he thinks the future will go to and what he sees people using now when they’re packaging up different applications for deployment.

[18:17] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[18:40] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements.

[20:20] Jeffrey poses a scenario to Elton: if your application is a Windows service and it’s 10MB, how big is that Docker image going to be that is the release candidate?

[22:06] How big should you expect the images to be if the application inside is 10MB?

[25:30] How much uptake is Elton seeing on the Windows containers?

[27:15] From an architectural strategy perspective, what does Elton and those at Docker think about when it makes more sense to use a Paz service versus a container?

[31:04] In the future, does Elton foresee containers becoming the new normal to the extent of being baked right into the infrastructure of services in a way that most people won’t even know that they’re there?

[32:58] Elton speaks about their efforts to make Docker as simple as possible.

[35:05] What languages are the examples from Elton’s book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, being delivered in?

[36:21] Elton recommends some go-to resources for listeners!

[37:36] Jeffrey thanks Elton for joining the podcast.


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X.

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited!

.NET Conf 2019

Docker on Windows: From 101 to production with Docker on Windows, by Elton Stoneman

Elton Stoneman’s Blog

Elton Stoneman’s Pluralsight Courses

Elton Stoneman’s LinkedIn

Elton Stoneman’s Twitter: @EltonStoneman


Multi-Stage Builds (Docker)

Microsoft Ignite Conference


Docker Captains

Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, by Elton Stoneman — You can read the first several chapters here! And use discount code podazdev19 for 40% off (which is good for all Manning products in all formats)!

Five free eBook codes (in MEAP so you can redeem them right now!):







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